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Andy

As much as I love the UMC, the days of denominational loyalty are over. Folks today are going to go where they find relevance to their lives. I'm trilled that there are UMC congregations that are doing that, however they look. As they preach, live, and teach our theology of grace, they'll get the work of the UMC done, no matter how big or small the UMC letters are in front of the church.

Scott

Excellent comments, Shane!

The issue is that sometime we confuse the mission of making disciples with making United Methodists.

Also, check out the UM Report blog where the issue of a burning cross is raised... I suggested that some have viewed the cross and flame as problematic...

http://umportal.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/11/a-question-i-often-ask-myself.html

Jerad

That's a great analogy. Starting a new brand--you still have the same structure, and you're still marketing the same product. I've never thought of it like that before. Thanks!

John B

I find it ironic that the question about why churches aren't using the UM name coming from a leader of the Gen. Bd of Church & Society. There has been more than one time that I've been so embarrassed by some radical statement the GBCS has released (often in direct conflict with our Discipline) that I have wanted to take the words United Methodist off my church sign.

It should be noted that the churches who are minimizing the association with the UMC are growing. Shouldn't that tell us something?

Tim Stevens

As one of the pastors at Granger, I especially appreciated your article and insights. I've reposted it at www.leadingsmart.com.

Can I suggest you add Mark Beeson, senior pastor at Granger, to your blog roll?
www.markbeeson.com

Andrew C. Thompson

Not knowing anyone from Granger personally, I still say 'Go Granger!' so long as the congregation is actively saving souls and making disciples of Jesus Christ.

But the relationship of a local church to its larger denominational communion is more complicated than just the positives and negatives of branding. For instance, I'm sure many folks at Granger don't realize that the congregation itself does not own its own property. The buildings, the land, etc., is held in trust by the congregation for the North Indiana Annual Conference of the UMC. That means that if Granger ever did decide it wanted to disaffiliate with the UMC, it would have to hand over the keys to its bishop and move to purchase its own property. And when churches have broken denominational ties in the past and tried to take their property with them, they always lose in court (i.e., due to the fact that the U.S. Court system has a history of not interfering with the internal ecclesiastical law of denominations).

So there are levels of connectedness that Granger Community Church should take seriously. For instance, if the General Conference of the UMC ever changed its stances on theological issues in a radical way (such as the doctrine of salvation, the Trinity, etc.), Granger would have to make a decision about what to do about that. And that is where the congregational, community church model followed by many mega-churches runs into problems, when (and this is important) those mega-churches do not actually have a congregational polity but rather are members of larger ecclesiastical communions.

None of this is to say that Granger shouldn't be pursuing ministry in the way that it is. John Wesley himself wasn't interested in building a denomination (a foreign concept in his context). He was interested in making what he called "real Christians." In his essay, "The Character of a Methodist," written to try and explain the Methodist movement to the larger English society, he defined Methodists as Christians who take the commandments to love God and love neighbor so seriously that they actually embody them in their lives. So insofar as Methodists today are pursuing that mission, they are real Wesleyans (whether they know it or not!).

Related to that, I would only say that there are significant ways to be "Methodist" that have nothing to do with trying to perpetuate denominationalism. If we believe in the universal atonement of Jesus Christ, the doctrine of free grace available to all people, the calling to holiness of heart and life, and a form of discipleship framed by works of piety and works of mercy, then we are true Methodists. But as Wesley himself argued, all that means is that we are being true Christians. Denominational identity should never be claimed as an end to itself. It should be claimed because we actually believe that the theological basis of whatever tradition we are in embodies a faithful witness of the Christian gospel. And in that sense, it matters whether Granger or any other church is identified as Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. It's not an issue of the propriety of branding, but rather one of theological grounding.

guy m williams

with you, Shane. call me crazy, but it seems that continuing in the theological and missional tradition of Wesley and the Methodists is more important than having a particular emblem or even denominational affiliation prominently displayed on one's building, signage, stationary, etc.

Kevin Watson

Shane, Thank you for this well written, thought-provoking post. It seems to me that you have wonderfully spelled out what is at stake in whether UM churches "advertise" that they are UM. I also agree that the ad campaign could use some work. I have met several people who, when they found out that I was a UM pastor, commented on how much they loved our commercials. However, none of them were considering worshipping in a UM congregation in the slightest. They just liked that they commercials were inclusive and unoffensive.

John Meunier

Here's another innovation at Granger:

http://www.nicumc.org/cd/blog/?p=373

Jerad

Having thought about this a little longer... I wonder whether the brand identity helps with member retention? Again, to demonstrate the evangelical utility of the popular "open doors" campaign, churches would have to hand out surveys to each new member asking what had brought them thus far. But are there people in UM churches who would go AG, Nazarene, Baptist, or something else but for some sort of internal satisfaction derived from their identification with the open doors ads?

Jerad

OK, I know the conversation's been dead for over 2 weeks, but I found this on the UMC's church planting website:

http://umcnewchurchstarts.org/?p=119#more-119

If you don't want to paste the link, here's the money quote:

"The data suggests that churches using the Igniting Ministry public launch media strategies have seen an increase of 30-50% in adult worship attendance."

I note the word "suggests," but at least there's data.

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